Hey I just heard their saying Muslims won't have to go through the body scanners they are to be exempt. HELLO???
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TSA to Investigate Body Scan Resister
by leavingwt intsa to investigate body scan resister .
the transportation security administration has opened an investigation targeting john tyner, the oceanside man who left lindbergh field under duress on saturday morning after refusing to undertake a full body scan.. tyner recorded the half-hour long encounter on his cell phone and later posted it to his personal blog, along with an extensive account of the incident.
the blog went viral, attracting hundreds of thousands of readers and thousands of comments.. michael j. aguilar, chief of the tsa office in san diego, called a news conference at the airport monday afternoon to announce the probe.
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Unions Tell Pilots to Avoid Body Scanners at Airports
by leavingwt insome people are fed up with our 'airport security theater' stunts.
unions tell pilots to avoid body scanners at airports.
pilot unions at two of the nation's largest airlines are advising their members not to submit to body scanners at airport security checkpoints as tension grows over what they see as intrusive or risky checks.unions representing pilots at american airlines and us airways have advised their more than 14,000 members to avoid the scanners, which peer beneath clothing, and instead get a pat down from transportation security administration (tsa) officers.. .
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No Sex In the New System - It's Impossible
by mentallyfree31 infyi:.
if you think through the jw belief system, we would have to renounce sexual relations forever to get into the new system.
jw's believe that those coming back in a resurrection will not be married or given in marriage.
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We'll if you lived forever eventually the earth would become overpopulated, unless God plans to export JW's to another earth where they can fill the universe with boring robot like humans who supress all natural human feelings, Of course the Society has no explanation of that but some boring pat answer like, put your faith in God and you brain on hold.
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I have two dogs and one of them is a rescue dog. Rescue dogs have often been mistreated and some of them have problems other dogs don't have. My neighbor has a rescue dog that was shot in the eye and only has one eye now and is pretty scared of people and other dogs. I hate to see dogs mistreated, they're loyal friends when their not scewed up by bad experiences.
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Unions Tell Pilots to Avoid Body Scanners at Airports
by leavingwt insome people are fed up with our 'airport security theater' stunts.
unions tell pilots to avoid body scanners at airports.
pilot unions at two of the nation's largest airlines are advising their members not to submit to body scanners at airport security checkpoints as tension grows over what they see as intrusive or risky checks.unions representing pilots at american airlines and us airways have advised their more than 14,000 members to avoid the scanners, which peer beneath clothing, and instead get a pat down from transportation security administration (tsa) officers.. .
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They have already taken down the body scanners in some countries airports, it's time to do it here.
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...Who is the "Bilderberg Group"?...What effect Do they Have on your Life?...
by OUTLAW inthis thread is your chance to participate in an investigation... google is your friend..use it... .
the "bilderberg group" is a publicy known group..they don`t hide... they are the worlds "most" powerful people.. they influence your life everyday... they will influence your future... they have an agenda..and..have made a public statement about it... i will make the 1st post... of a public statement made by the "bilderberg group"... .
denis healey.
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The Builderberg Group. You use to get laughed for saying they exist, but this conspiracy is not somebody's theory. Call it conspiracy reporting. Here is a statement David Rockefeller made at one of the Builderberg meetings where these so called political brains were supposedly ...just kicking around ideas.
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991I don't want a world government, to strip us of our constitution and our freedom, and the track record of the world bankers speaks for itself. If these people wanted peace they could have attained it a long time ago since they already control most countries.
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No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism
by leavingwt insome red meat for the anti-science crowd.
no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .
"this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .
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man, you don't give up!
Okay I will, this will be my last post, it appears some of the people on this thread want me to stop, others keep goading me on and challenging me to respond to multiple attacks on my view...my sympathies lay with famies like the Jones'es who have a child with autism. I spent years helping a friend with taking care of a relatives child with fetal alchohol syndrome.
"Thimerosal was taken out of most childhood vaccines at the beginning of the decade. In 2006, studies of two government databases indicated that autism rates went up as thimerosal dosages increased, then began to decline as thimerosal was removed.
Yet, if you look at this Time magazine article, it says that autism rates have continued to climb since thimerosal was removed from vaccines in 2001. Why the discrepancy?
It could be due to the fact that in 2002 the U.S. government began recommending flu shots to children under 2 (and now recommends them for kids until they’re 18). Well, most flu shots still contain thimerosal, so many infants are still being exposed to mercury."
There is also the issue of vaccine timing.
“Giving too many vaccines over too short a time to infants whose nervous system is not yet fully developed can also trigger autism and its spectrum of disorders,” Dr. Miller says.
And, according to Dr. Russell Blaylock, multiple vaccines given close together over-stimulate your brain's immune system and, via the mechanism of "bystander injury," destroy brain cells.
What Else is Fueling the Autism Epidemic?
Autism now affects about one in 150 U.S. children. A small portion of these cases, perhaps 1 percent, may be due to genetic defects, and the rest are likely caused by exposure to toxic chemicals, viruses or other environmental influences.
One environmental influence that you may not have heard about was suggested by a November 2007 study in the Journal of the Australasian College of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine . It found that electromagnetic radiation (EMR) from cell phones, cell towers, Wi-Fi devices and other similar wireless technologies may be an accelerating factor in autism.
After five years of research on children with autism and other membrane sensitivity disorders, the researchers found that EMR negatively affects cell membranes, and allows heavy metal toxins, which are associated with autism, to build up in your body.
Meanwhile, autism rates have increased concurrently along with the proliferation of cell phones and wireless use.
EMR, the researchers say, could impact autism by facilitating early onset of symptoms or by trapping heavy metals inside of nerve cells, which could accelerate the onset of symptoms of heavy metal toxicity and hinder therapeutic clearance of the toxins" -
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No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism
by leavingwt insome red meat for the anti-science crowd.
no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .
"this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .
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If these are cut and paste wars I am your Huckleberry. Not not really, I am trying to make a point that Doctors are among big critics of vaccines. Here are some statements from M.D.'s since Boeeeeeehm, I spell it anyway I want it's my post, doesn't accept the fact that anyone that isn't an M.D. has a right to an opinion. Not really Bohm, I just used your tactic Boahm of putting words in my mouth. Hello Besty, after my avatar again. I bet you are enjoying this post since my old fellow anti GW posters are even against me here, it's mainly just me defending the opposition to this thread topic. By the way did you see how much money the Global Warming companies have made so far, holy sh*t, I have to go back and find that number for you if I can fit it on the thread. Bohme says I can't pull out medical research research, it is hard to find anything after Wakefield got steam rolled by the vaccine/pharmaceutical/medical establishment. Think about it who is gonna pay for it, sure as hell not the medical establishment. Still those court cases in vaccine court keep deciding against the vaccines while the establishment calls you a nut if you think there is anything wrong with them, what a dilemma for a thinking person. Here are some quotes for you guys to ponder on while your thowing stones at my avatar: Nobody needs to be confused but EVERYBODY better be darn well frightened about taking ANY vaccine, under ANY circumstance, for ANY reason, at ANY time in their life."--Dr Duffy DC
"I have been on the staff of the New Jersey State Department of Health, and was in complete charge of the Monmouth County Cerebral Palsy Treatment Center. For the past three years I have been director of the Homestead Rehabilitation Institute (and still am as of this writing). My experiences have enabled me to observe from within the workings of official medicine. At first I could not believe what I saw...Were the truth concerning medical treatment and so-called prevention ever to leak out, the stench of it would obliterate the public confidence in the medical profession and put an end to the fantastic drug profits."---Dr. Milton Fried, D.C., 1956 (Poisoned Needle by McBean p192)
" What, then, is the value of vaccination? We firmly believe that it has no value at all. Its supposed value has been deduced from incorrect reasoning on the part of its advocates. Were small-pox as prevalent and as fatal now as in the eighteenth century, it might even be justifiable to have recourse to inoculation—either by variolous or vaccine matter. History, however, has demonstrated that towards the close of the last century, when Jenner introduced his system, small-pox had gradually died out, as we shall presently show. Even in Jenner's day small-pox had lost its virulence. "--- Dr. Charles T. Pearce, M.D. [1868 Book : Essay on Vaccination ]
" It is difficult to conceive what will be the excuse made for a century of co w poxing; but it cannot be doubted that the practice will appear in as absurd a light to the common sense of the twentieth century as blood-letting now does to us. Vaccination differs, however, from all previous errors of the faculty, in being maintained as the law of the land on the warrant of medical authority. That is the reason why the blow to professional credit can hardly help being severe, and why the efforts to ward it off have been, and will continue to be so ingenious. " [ 1889 ] Jenner and V accination A S trange C hapter of M edical H istory by Charles Creighton M.D.
"If you want the truth on vaccination you must go to those who are not making anything out of it. If doctors shot at the moon every time it was full as a preventive of measles and got a shilling for it, they would bring statistics to prove it was a most efficient practice, and that the population would be decimated if it were stopped."---Dr Allinson
"The anthrax vaccine was approved without every doing a controlled clinical study. There is no long term safety data on the anthrax vaccine. The government admitted this in congressional hearings. It is a distortion of the truth to say there is substantial safety data."--Bart Classen
"The vaccinations are not working, and they are dangerous.. We should be working with nature."--Lendon Smith MD
"I once believed in Jenner; I once believed in Pasteur. I believed in vaccination. I believed in vivisection. But I changed my views as the result of hard thinking."--Dr Hadwen
" I have no faith in vaccination; nay, I look upon it with the greatest possible disgust, and firmly believe that it is often the medium of conveying many filthy and loathsome diseases from one child to another, and no protection whatever against small pox. Indeed, I consider we are now living in the JENNERIAN epoch for the slaughter of innocents, and the unthinking portion of the adult population ."--- W. J. COLLINS, M.D., B.S., B.Sc. (Lond.) M.R.C.S (Letter to Vaccination Inquirer)
The evidence (vaccines cause autism) is now overwhelming, despite the misinformation from theCenters for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy ofPediatrics and the Institute of Medicine. The (Pretending to) Combat Autism Act By Bernard Rimland
I am no longer "trying to dig up evidence to prove" vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence,...... This debate is not scientific but is political. --- [July 9, 2006 Blog/letter] Discovering the causes, treatment of autism ---- David Ayoub, MD
"Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school" doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD
During the last ten years, I have treated and cured all kinds of serious acute diseases without resorting to allopathic drugs. In a very extensive practice, I have not in all these years lost a single case of appendicitis (and not one of them was operated upon), of typhoid fever, diphtheria, smallpox, scarlet fever, etc., and only one case of cerebro-spinal meningitis and of lobar pneumonia. These facts may be verified from the records of the Health Department of the City of Chicago. ----- Chapter 16: The Diphtheria Antitoxin ( Nature Cure: Philosophy & Practice Based on the Unity of Disease & Cure by Henry Lindlahr, M.D. )
"Based on what I now know, I would not give my children the combined MMR vaccine. I would consider either using the vaccines singly (not available in this country but possible in mainland Europe) or not vaccinating at all. It may be safer for healthy children to catch these illnesses rather than run the risk of immunisation."--Dr Richard Halvorsen
My thirty years experience as a family doctor in the healing arts have convinced me that the greatest threat to life and health in the 21st century, is no longer atomic bombs and nuclear power. The greatest threat to our health today is (by far)the medical community, and one of their most dangerous tools is vaccination - particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants! My thirty years of experience was preceded by 21 years of military experience during which I faithfully avoided every single vaccination after being subjected to the initial vaccinations given to all new trainees in boot camp. During my 21 years of military life, during which I prepared myself for my final occupation as a family doctor, I cultivated a very different opinion on the subject of vaccines and my final conclusion is that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine -the phrase is oxymoronic. One need not look too diligently to have my assertion confirmed by men much greater than I. If one fails to first consider that the most powerful vested interest in the world is in our own individual belief system and then seek out the source of that system, one does, in the case of modern medicine, completely miss the point.
Without even mentioning the fact that vaccination defies common sense and the use of simple logic, allow me to state that vaccination is the single greatest threat to human life and health today for three reasons:
1. Vaccination was born in the superstitions of Egyptian antiquity 2. Vaccines were given new life by the medieval medical quacks and drug peddling entrepeneurs of the renaissance at a time when almost nothing was known of the immune system. 3. Historical fact demonstrates that vaccination has never cured, prevented or ameliorated a single disease. The evidence is now (and has been for over a century)available to demonstrate that the plagues of old were the results of sudden population explosions with diminished food supplies.
Benjamin Sandler MD, proved beyond the question of a doubt that the polio epidemics proved to be the result of overindulgence in adulterated (high sugar) foods. The plagues of old were due to the lack of animal protein, fresh fruit and vegetables. This resulted in lowered antibody levels with the resultant overgrowth of organisms that thrive in such absences. The rats, mice, fleas and bugs are still with us but the plagues are a thing of the past. What we suffer now is a plague of a different variety, far more dangerous than the plagues of old. Our present plague is the existence of medically driven legislatures and governmental power under the sway of medical "knowitallness". The citizen had better wake up and drive this medical demon out of their governing bodies now while peaceful means to do so are still available. They certainly had better not allow their critical voices to be stilled by the vested interests in their legislatures! -----Dr Daniel H Duffy Sr Family doctor of chiropractic Geneva, Ohio USA"Meningitis is not a transmissible disease, we do not "catch" it from one another.My first lesson in vaccine propaganda is when I learned, back in the forties, that the "epidemics" of meningitis amongst military recruits were not epidemics but clusters, and the second thing I learned was that only the freshly vaccinated recruits "caught" meningitis. The mess sergeant didn't, the drill sergeant didn't, only the recruits did. Not even the girls who worked at the base exchanges and service clubs, with whom the recruits played kissy face "caught" meningitis - only the freshly vaccinated recruits "caught" it. ...... In over thirty years of clinical practice I have never seen an infectious hepatitis "caught" by another member of a household and believe me when I say I really looked high and low for one of those. If I found one I would look for a source of the poisoning, not for a germ or a virus"---Daniel H Duffy Sr. DC also
" AIDS and SARS are ways for epidemiologists (e.g., the CDC, WHO, etc.) to secure their jobs and continued funding for their agencies. No new emerging epidemics, maybe no CDC, no WHO, so we've got an infrastructure that REQUIRES the "discovery" of new, threatening epidemics. And the media pick a new one every year. This year, it's SARS. For the past couple of years, it's been West Nile Virus. Next year it'll be something else. "---- Dr Dan Duffy DC
"S oldiers DID die following the injections which contained mercurous chloride otherwise known as CALOMEL. There WAS a widespread campaign for mercury containing vaccines. There WAS also an outpouring of propaganda [such as our present day SARS, MONKEYPOX, SMALLPOX hype] to frighten the public, there WERE large numbers of deaths at the time, all blamed on “Spanish Flu”. Of course the Spanish Flu was just as bogus in the early 1900s as Swine Flu was in the 70s when President Ford faked his vaccination and helped set our country up for a REAL epidemic [vaccine induced, iatrogenic, Guillaine Barre syndrome]. Spanish Flu was as bogus as the more recent WEST NILE VIRUS, AIDS, SARS, SMALLPOX and MONKEYPOX is today. They are killing the innocent and the ignorant today, just as they have in the past. The deaths from the great flu epidemic of 1918 were caused by the use of CALOMEL, the major biological poison used to treat “sepsis” as it was called in those days. CALOMEL is mercurous chloride and was used by the medical quacks of that day for “anything that ailed you”. Mercury is a deadly poison. " Dr. Duffy
"It is now 30 years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic diseases. During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn't put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren't strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since. "---Dr. William Howard Hay
"My own personal view is that vaccines are unsafe and worthless. I will not allow myself to be vaccinated again. .....The bottom line is that infectious diseases are least likely to affect (and to kill) those who have healthy immune systems. I no longer believe that vaccines have any role to play in the protection of the community or the individual. Vaccines may be profitable but, in my view, they are neither safe nor effective. I prefer to put my trust in building up my immune system."---Dr Vernon Coleman MB
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No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism
by leavingwt insome red meat for the anti-science crowd.
no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .
"this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .
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Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his compelling courage, as recounted by Barbara Loe Fisher
Barbara Loe Fisher speaks of Andrew Wakefield, his courage, and the real meaning of the recent General Medical Council (GMC) ruling against him.
Barbara Loe Fisher is the mother of three, one of whom is vaccine-injured. She is also co-founder & president of the National Vaccine Information Center and a writer and speaker on vaccination and informed consent issues. She is a courageous woman.
In the following seven-minute-long video she describes her first meeting with a courageous man, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and explains the real meaning of the recent General Medical Council (GMC) ruling against Dr. Andrew Wakefield and two colleagues.
Below it is the transcript of her words, which can also be found at her blog. Also there, you can find links to various statements on the Andrew Wakefield GMC case outcome, as well as other relevant and very interesting information regarding the same.
We heartily recommend visiting both her blog and the, National Vaccine Information Center, where this video is posted.
Here is the transcript of the video of Barbara Loe Fisher speaking of Dr. Andrew Wakefield and the GMC "inquisition." (Emphasis has been added by Natural Health Strategies editors.)
Vaccines: Doctor Judges & Juries Hanging Their Own
by Barbara Loe Fisher
I remember the day I met Dr. Andrew Wakefield.
It was five months before he and 12 other physician colleagues would publish a study in The Lancet 1 calling for more research into a possible association between inflammatory bowel disease, MMR vaccine and developmental delays in some children.
I met Dr. Wakefield that day in 1997 in the auditorium where our conference was to take place as he was trying to decide what to do with a slide that identified him as being employed by the Royal Free Hospital. You see, he had received a telephone threat from London in the middle of the night warning him that if he spoke at our conference, he might not have a job when he returned to Britain. He then described to me the intense pressure he had been under from senior health officials in Britain to withdraw from our conference.
This was five months before he and his colleagues published the first article in the medical literature suggesting there might be an association between vaccine induced chronic inflammation in the body and developmental delays in some children.
In September 1997, Andrew Wakefield was a young British gastroenterologist, a rising star in the world of experimental medicine. He had received awards and scholarships for original research into the pathogenesis and etiology of inflammatory bowel disease, including Crohn’s disease. He had a bright future ahead of him until he examined children suffering with both inflammatory bowel disease and developmental delays and decided to investigate the reports by parents that their once normal children regressed and began exhibiting symptoms of autism after getting an MMR shot.
So, as Andrew Wakefield and I were standing in the conference auditorium five months before The Lancet article was published, I told him that he did not have to speak at our conference. I told him it was not worth losing his job. I told him that I could look back and count the doctors lying on the road, who had lost their careers because they dared to conduct research into or speak about vaccine risks. I told him his own colleagues would hang him for challenging the status quo.
Despite the fact he had been threatened by senior doctors in positions of authority demanding that he withdraw from our conference, Andrew Wakefield refused my offer to stand down. He said that if he did not speak at our conference, he would always be afraid, and he was not going to live in fear for the rest of his life.
And then we sat down and had a long talk about freedom of thought, conscience and scientific inquiry. We talked about fear and courage, about risking it all to do what is right. We talked about events leading up to World War II in Europe and how good people did nothing when they had the chance to act; how instead they turned away from the suffering of minorities targeted for destruction. We talked about government health policies that devalue individual life and write off some as acceptable losses in service to the rest. We talked about the suffering of vaccine injured children and their families.
And I knew then, that despite my warnings to Andrew Wakefield that he could lose everything if he tried to investigate or speak out about vaccine risks, this man was not going to stand down. He was going to risk it all.
It was a moment I will never forget because I knew the price he would pay for standing up to colleagues ordering him to salute smartly and remain silent.
Today, doctors in positions of authority in Britain, who have sought to intimidate Andrew Wakefield even before the February 1998 Lancet article was published, have declared through the General Medical Council that he and two other brave doctors, who refused to recant the conclusions of The Lancet article, are guilty of professional misconduct. 2 The General Medical Council does not operate a legal court of law; it is rather a medical court of opinion, where doctors can sanction other doctors and, in effect, hang their own.
I learned early on in my 28 years of work to prevent vaccine injuries and deaths through public education and defend the informed consent ethic in medicine, that it does not matter whether you are a doctor investigating vaccine risks or a parent of a once healthy child, who regressed into chronic poor health after vaccination. If you question the quality of vaccine science or policy, you will be demonized, harassed, and sanctioned for being an unbeliever and questioning the wisdom of doctors and scientists in positions of authority.
The General Medical Council inquisition was never about the three doctors they put on the rack and found guilty on most counts. It was always about declaring vaccine science and policy innocent on all counts. And creating a horrible warning to any young doctor, who even thinks about investigating or talking about better defining vaccine risks, to think again, shut up and salute smartly.
Today, I join millions of parents of vaccine injured children around the world, and thank Drs. Andrew Wakefield, Simon Murch and John Walker-Smith for having the intellectual honesty, conscience and courage to stand up for truth and freedom in science. You are honored and loved by many for what you have done to try to help ease the suffering of the growing numbers of vaccine injured children and prevent more children from joining their ranks.
Like you, we will not stand down and we will not be silent. We will stand up and defend truth and freedom for as long as it takes to bring both
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No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism
by leavingwt insome red meat for the anti-science crowd.
no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .
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) Bohm-Is a non-random sample size of 12 and the following lying and dicking with the data sufficient statistical material for a study on the autism-vaccine link? If no, are you going to retract your support for Dr. Wakefields research? ME-I don't know if 12 is a proper random size, it is if your studying the apostles, -"The research aspects of the biopsies on the Lancet children had in fact been approved by the Ethics Committee as Project 162-95" And on another point you mentioned before let the man without guilt cast the first stone "Not only did Dr. Wakefield have no duty under the then-applicable disclosure standard, it was actually Dr. Horton that concealed Dr. Wakefield's participation in the MMR litigation, only to later feign ignorance to shift blame to a scapegoat for all the 'unpleasantness' surrounding the debate over MMR safety." And many of these Doctors who sit on the legal boards it turns out are salaried by the pharmacutical companies, just like the scientists who work for global warming recieve payola from the government.
2)Bohm- Is Gary Null the HIV/AIDS denialist without scientific training REALLY worth quoting as support for not vaccinating?
Me-Gary Null "holds a PhD in human nutrition and public health sciences from The Union Institute in Cincinnati, Ohio"
although-"The Union Institute is also accredited, but its degree requirements and standards for health-related doctoral degrees differ greatly from those of most traditional universities."
In other words Gary does hold the degree but it is pretty dicy to compare it to a regular Univerisity. Your dodging the points he raised. Should everyone else on this thread who does not have an M.D or P.H.D. after their name not be allowed to have an opinion even if they have read alot and studied the subject? Shouldn't Gary Null? As I have said many of the Doctors (and probably the bloggers too) who have lashed out at Wakefield it turns out work for big Pharma.
Since autism is inherited to a large degree what will m ake you back down with respect to the mercury claim?
Since people are sensitive about this I will tone it down and say I think everyone should do their own research.
This is some interesting historical info. on mercury, http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/mad-hatter-syndrome.html
4)Bohm- Since mercury has been REMOVED from vaccineins allmost a decade ago, AND number of autism cases continued to climb unaffected, will that make you back down on the mercury claim?
Me-"The US Vaccine Court (by decision) and the US Government (by concession) have concluded that vaccines, specifically MMR, can cause autism. The debate, and the need for reallocating research support, now shifts to how many children have been affected (for purposes of compensation) and how to prevent new cases and treat those already vaccine-damaged"
I won't back down from my claim that mercury can cause brain damage, I don't have enough information on what else these children were exposed to since Mercury is also used in other hospital products and the point has been raised as to whether even very small trace doses can cause autism. Other issues like did the mother get a flu shot or use other mercury products, and their are many, if those questions can all be answered negatively then I will back down but I will still wonder if hereditary factors are the cause then why the sharp rise? As I said some people get lung cancer from things other than cigarettes which doesn't mean cigarettes do not cause of lung cancer.
I guess I also will always wonder what did they replace the mercury with in the vaccines? Could it be with something so close Mercury that it triggers the same response?
5) Boehm-Do you still stand by the scientific value of the research paper you quoted back on the previous page after reading Leolais links?
Me-Since your always giving me homework why don't you read this link about Dr Wakefield trial-http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/01/-false-testimony-denies-lancet-doctors-a-fair-hearing.html Leolais is a smart cookie I just disagree with her on this thread.
